Call Us: 423 661-4734 | Email: requests@comeandreason.com      
The “Infinite Price” Paid – Is it Legal & Is Christ still Omnipresent?

The “Infinite Price” Paid – Is it Legal & Is Christ still Omnipresent?

I was told and have been taught since I joined the SDA Church that Jesus gave up his ‘Omniprescense’  for eternity as the cost for my Salvation. I do not and can not find this in the scriptures

or in the writings of Ellen White. When asked for proof, I have yet to receive any, but this is what is being taught. I believe that Jesus has his ‘omniprescence’ and that he only laid it down to become incarnate, he picked it up again when he presented Himself before His Father after the ascension.  The question came up then, “What is the ‘infinite cost’ to the Father and Christ refer to? Sis White is clear that there was an ‘Infinite cost’ to both. It is insisted that this is a payment. In light of the Healing Model how would you answer this?  

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks for your questions. Regarding Christ’s limitation of omnipresence, one of the founders of the SDA church makes a statement in the book Desire of Ages, which is supported by Christ’s actions after his resurrection, that indicates Christ’s assumption of humanity was not limited to 33 years but for all eternity and with this His omnipresence was limited. Notice this statement is in the context of His ascension and sending the Spirit to represent Him on earth:

The Holy Spirit is Christ’s representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high. — Desire of Ages, pg. 669

Regarding the “infinite price” question, many people have been so conditioned by penal substitution way of thinking that they can only “see” “legal payment” when they read certain texts. References like the one you quoted are presented quite often, but they never actually say penal substitution. I recently had a similar dialog with a penal substitution theologian and he quoted several such passages. Below I list the quotes he referenced in bold type followed by my explanation under them, demonstrating such language does not mean “legal penalty.”

A) “it cost an infinite price to deliver the captives of Satan from the captivity of sin.”

Agreed, but such language does not mean such a price is judicial in nature. In a recent movie a father had a son dying of heart failure and there was no donor. The father offered his own heart but no doctor would do the surgery so the father positioned to shoot himself in the ER so his son could have his heart. If such an event happened, would it be true that it “cost” the father? Or the father “paid a high price” to save his son? Would that be the same as saying the father had to pay a “legal” price? Likewise, our condition could not be remedied without Christ’s sacrifice, and that cost the Godhead infinitely, however, that is not the same as saying they paid a “judicial or legally imposed” penalty.

B) “Christ died as a substitute for the sinner.”

Agreed, the trust healing model already proclaims this. Just as the father in the analogy above died and his son lived with the donated heart. It was the son’s heart that was bad, it was the son’s condition that was terminal. But the father took the place of the son and died so that the son could live. Substitution does not automatically mean substitution to suffer a “legally imposed” penalty, one may project the “legal penalty” idea into their theology and create a legal belief system, but the inspired record does not require it. One can be honest with the inspired record, with the reality of God’s law and can believe in Christ’s substitutionary role, and remove the “legally imposed” concepts from their soteriology.

C) “Christ exhausted the penalty and provided a pardon.”

Exhaust means “to consume entirely.” Scripture tells us that, “The wages of sin is death,” (Rom 6:23) and “by his death he destroyed death and brought life and immortality to light.” (2Tim 1:9,10). What is the basis for death? Sin, and what is sin?

“Our only definition of sin is that given in the word of God; it is “the transgression of the law;” it is the outworking of a principle at war with the great law of love which is the foundation of the divine government.” — Great Controversy, pg. 492.

Christ exhausted the penalty by destroying the very source of sin in mankind, when through His death He destroyed Satan’s principle, which entered mankind when Adam sinned. It is so much larger and more significant that paying some legal penalty. Thus, having become human and subject to like passions, and having destroyed this infection in His humanity “he became the source of salvation for all who obey him” (Heb 5:8). And it is by this He is able to pardon, because pardon is not some mere legal thing, it is regeneration: “God’s forgiveness is not merely a judicial act by which He sets us free from condemnation. It is not only forgiveness for sin but reclaiming from sin. It is the outflow of redeeming love that transforms the heart. David had the true conception of forgiveness when he prayed, “Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.” Ps. 51:10. — Faith I Live By, pg. 129.

F) “The God of justice did not spare His Son… The whole debt for the transgression of God’s law was demanded from our Mediator. A full atonement was required. How appropriate are the words of Isaiah, “It pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief.” His soul was made “an offering for sin.” “He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities” (Isa. 53:10, 5). — Heavenly Places, pg. 15.

What is justice? Is it not always doing that which is just or right? What is the standard of right or justice? Is it not God’s very character, which is the basis of God’s law? With this in mind we understand why the God of justice didn’t spare His Son – because a God of love does what love demands, selfless giving “for God so loved the world He GAVE.” This is the justice of the Bible. Further, life is constructed upon the law of love. Once breeched, man’s condition was terminal and could not be remedied by violating the law (protocols, design for life). Only in harmony with God’s law could man be saved! Justice required that Christ destroy selfishness in mankind and restore God’s law of love. Therefore, Christ had to come to rewrite in mankind God’s principles for life (think new covenant write laws on hearts and minds). What is a full atonement other than a full reconciliation or fully restoring mankind to oneness with God? Only by removing Satan’s law of selfishness from humanity and putting humanity back into perfection could such be accomplished. Christ did this in His life, death and resurrection. Thus it pleased the Lord to put Christ into humanity, to put upon Him our iniquity (sinfulness) and to allow Christ to crush sin while Christ was bruised in the process (think Genesis 3).

G) “As man He [Christ] must suffer the consequences of man’s sin. As man He must endure the wrath of God against transgression.”

Excellent, quote, demonstrating He must gain the victory “as man” in a “human brain” and suffer what sin did to man. And, as demonstrated in Romans 1:18,24,26,28, 4;25 Christ did suffer God’s wrath when God “gave him up” or “delivered him up”. This again was no imposed penalty, or legal execution, or judicial penalty, but was the only means whereby God could destroy in humanity Satan’s principle of selfishness and restore the law of love, the law of God, back into a human brain. “As a man” Christ achieved this wonderful victory.

Email me the blog whenever a new one is published.

Donate online, securely via PayPal using your credit or debit card (no PayPal account needed, unless you want to set up a monthly, recurring payment).


cancel recurring payment

 

Want to use zelle instead?
See how on our
Support and Donations page.

Upcoming Events

calendar

Testimonial Post Slider

Testimony 72

I am blown away by the truth that you present. God’s Design Law makes so much sense! You have validated my impression that, if God is love, He would not kill those who don’t want to know him. If God gives us choice, then how can He destroy us if our choice is not to follow him. Thank you for opening my eyes and heart to the pure love of God seen through Jesus. The love I now have for Jesus is deeper and free from condemnation. My heart has been opened to love others as Jesus loves me. May God continue to bless your God-given insight into His word and your ministry. The truth has set me free!

H. Miller, Centereach, NY

Testimony 23

I would just like to add my voice to the many people who, I believe, must have contacted you to express their appreciation for the “Healing the Mind” DVDs. I’ve been listening to your Bible study class discussions for many years and I’ve been personally blessed by your research and teaching about the character of God.

L. G., Oakland, MI, USA

 

Testimony 4

I’m a youth leader in South Africa. We as a youth group are currently using a lot of the material on the Come and Reason site. Since we’ve started using the material, our youth group has grown.

R. V. N., South Africa

 

Testimony 50

After coming into contact with Come And Reason Ministries, I can finally say that many of my unanswered questions have fallen into place. I discovered that my view of God’s Law was “imposed laws and rules” with “imposed punishments” and that this was the major culprit of my many unanswered questions. Thanks be to God for using you and those around you to help us who have struggled with this “infection” of thought. I have now rejected the “imposed law” concept to fully embrace “Design Law”… to look thru “Design Law,” instead of “imposed law,” is a relief.

Viliami L., Australia

 

Testimony 26

Your teachings about our heavenly Father have changed my life. Thank you sooooooo very very much! I know He’s doing some serious healing in my heart and life and I look forward to each new day to learn something new about Him and to just hear you speak about Him. Thank you, forever.

Nancy S.

 

Testimony 10

I personally download and listen to each of Come And Reason Ministries Bible study class lessons and PDF study notes to use when teaching my class. Really appreciate the class especially when Dr. Jennings is teaching. Thank God there are persons like him doing His work and traveling to share His beliefs.

B. L.M., North Plains, OR, USA

 

Testimony 57

You have helped make sense of thirty two years of confusion. The material you freely provide reorganized so much of my life into such a beautiful pattern that has always been hinted at from within, but misguided with my training and what I was experiencing externally. My filipno parents, who were converted from Catholicism to SDA, were sincere and did their best to raise me the right way and I have deep respect for them. However, being immigrants and not understanding the language made for a difficult transition as I was growing up, which also applied to my spiritual growth as I learned the patterns of religion. I have been listening to as many bible study classes and reading blog posts as my time in a work truck will allow, searching for the practical applications of where spirituality and reality meet, and I thank you for helping me find that. You have helped me reach a point in which I can truly say that I love God, that I believe He loves me, and, like David, I delight in His law. God bless.

Emmanuel V., Calgary, AB Canada

Testimony 9

I really enjoy with you the view of a gracious God. Thank you for sharing the work you are allowing the Lord to do in you.

L., Queensland, Australia

 

Testimony 58

I have been watching your videos in The Power of Love seminar and I must say these have liberated me and have improved my relationship with the Lord. I am no longer terrified of him as I was before following your teachings.

Thando N., South Africa

 

Testimony 11

I would love to have a copy of “Healing the Mind” DVDs to have in my therapy office. I enjoy having clients check out materials to enhance their therapy experience. I have sat under Dr. Jennings’ teaching at an American Association of Christian Counselors convention and respect his work greatly.

K.B., LA, USA

 

Testimony 62

I would like to express my thanks to the C&R team for creating a platform from which people can learn to trust in God and grow. My life is a witness to the effectiveness of this ministry. Without believing the truth about God as you have shown, I don’t know what my life would be like. I had given up on God helping me with certain sins – it was all useless. Given that the scripture is clear and God is so good, how could I have betrayed him so many times? I was a yo-yo christian; spinning up and down. My faith and enthusiasm was driven by discoveries/threats that prophecy is about to be fulfilled. But when I watched your “Healing the Mind” seminar, it was like a light finally went on. I could see God had no plan to hurt me, the danger came from sin, and that He is working to protect me and strengthen me. Thank you for allowing God to use you. The message God gave C&R saved my life!

Antony N. – Hobart, Australia

 

Testimony 21

I am absolutly on fire with the message at Come and Reason! I can’t get enough! I’ve read your book, blog, and articles. I’ve listened to your Bible study podcasts, your radio show, and your series – all excellent! It wasn’t until the past couple of years that I have I like I’m becoming “healthy,” with more to share with others than just beasts and commandments! I used to be a Bible worker and preached when the pastors were gone until I had had enough. I didnt realize at the time what the problem was, but i know now… the message wasn’t properly focused. Now my flame is rekindled. All of your little examples are so perfect in explaining something “complicated” and making it easily understood! Now I’m trying to shape it into a life changing evangelistic series! Thank you!

M.T., USA

 

Testimony 18

The Healing the Mind DVD set tarted me on a journey that has changed my relationship with our loving God more significantly than any other study, and brought me to your book and Bible study podcasts, which I now listen to daily, thanks to the availability of archived content on your site and on iTunes.

Anonymous

 

Testimony 2

I continue to enjoy your lessons every week. The more that I research your conclusions, the more I am convinced that the Holy Spirit has lead you to distill out the essence of human redemption. Thank you for your courageous stand for the truth.

S. G., TX, USA

 

Testimony 15

I have been sharing Come And Reason Ministries Bible study lessons with several folk. You have such a beautiful view of the plan of salvation. If we had this message preached when I was young, my generation would still all be in church.

H. R., New Zealand