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BERINNE EN KLIPPE: WAT SÊ DIT OOR GOD?

BERINNE EN KLIPPE: WAT SÊ DIT OOR GOD?

Wat is jou siening oor God wat bere stuur om kinders te vermorsel nadat hulle “gespot” het met een van God se profete omdat hy kaalkop was? Dit het my regtig gepla en lyk baie hardvogtig en het my vertroue in God se karakter regtig seergemaak. Ek bedoel, watter kind het nog nie een of ander keer iemand geterg nie??? Dit beteken nie dat hulle die dood verdien nie. Ek het ‘n 8-jarige dogter, so die gedagte dat God haar sal doodmaak oor iets so onbenulligs, maak my kwaad en ek voel dit is hoogs onregverdig.

Die 2de: In die OT beveel God dat ‘n man gestenig moet word omdat hy vuurmaakhout op die Sabbat bymekaargemaak het. Daardie een het my geloof regtig, regtig ernstig beskadig. Wat as die man net hout bymekaarmaak om ‘n vuur te maak om hom en sy gesin warm te hou of om kos te kook? Beteken dit dat ek op die oordeelsdag vernietig kan word omdat ek my bed opmaak, maaltye vir my gesin kook en die skottelgoedwasser op die Sabbat gelaai het??? Ek sien regtig nie hoe hierdie take anders is as om hout bymekaar te maak nie. Dit is nie asof hy hout bymekaarmaak net vir “lekkerkry” nie. Hout dien 2 doeleindes – om warm te maak of kos te kook. Ek verstaan daar is gevolge in sonde, en glo beslis dat daar moet wees! MAAR….moet die straf nie by die misdaad pas nie? God kon hulle gestraf het met die vernietiging van hul huise of ‘n verlies van al hul besittings, ens. (net voorbeelde).

Ek hoop jy kan ‘n ander lig op die twee voorvalle werp. Ek sal daarvan hou om God weer werklik lief te hê en te voel asof Hy aanbidding waardig is. By voorbaat dankie vir jou antwoord! Ek waardeer jou tyd en jou mening baie.


Wanneer ons die Ou Testament (OT) lees, moet ons dit altyd lees teen die agtergrond van die Groot Stryd oor die karakter van God met Jesus as ons fokuslens. Hy was God in menslike vorm en was die God wat in die OT opgetree het. So, verskeie vrae moet beantwoord word – wie verstaan jy is Jesus? Is Hy ten volle God? Het die volheid van die Godheid in Hom gewoon? Is dit waar dat die Vader in die Seun was? Is dit waar dat wanneer ons Jesus sien, ons die Vader sien? Is dit waar dat Jesus presies die karakter en aard van God geopenbaar het?

As die antwoorde op al hierdie vrae ja is, en ons lees ‘n OT-storie en dink dit stel God in ‘n ander lig voor as wat Jesus geopenbaar het, dan weet ons dat ons op een of ander manier die storie verkeerd verstaan.

Ons moet ook vra, deur watter raamwerk sien ons hierdie stories? Hoe verstaan ons God se skepping en sy wet? Met ander woorde, hoe verstaan ons die basiese beginsels waarop God die heelal ontwerp het om te werk?

Verstaan ons God as ‘n diktator wat wesens skep en dan wette uitvaardig om sy skepsele te regeer en as die regerende gesag, om geregtigheid te handhaaf, dit dan vereis word om sy heelal te “polisieer”, oortreders in aanhouding te plaas, geregtelike stappe te volg en uiteindelik arbitrêr opgelegde strawwe uit te deel?

Of sien ons God as die “Skepper”, die Een wat werklik die heelal gebou het, die Een wat alles gebou het, en daarom die bloudruk geskep het waarop alle dinge werk? Aangesien God sê Hy IS liefde, sou Hy nie sy heelal skep om in harmonie met sy eie natuur en karakter te funksioneer nie, veral omdat alle lewe in God ontstaan en alle lewe deur God onderhou word nie? As dit so is, is God se wet dan uitgevaardigde reëls of die beginsels waarop die heelal gebou is om te werk – wette van swaartekrag, termodinamika, en uiteindelik die wet van liefde, gee en liefdadigheid?

Wanneer ons die heelal verstaan soos God dit gebou het en sy wet as ‘n uitdrukking van sy eie aard van liefde, dan verstaan ons verskeie belangrike elemente. Eerstens is lewe slegs moontlik wanneer dit in harmonie is met die ontwerpprotokolle waarop God dit gebou het om te bestaan. In hierdie geval, volmaakte harmonie met God se karakter van liefde. Tweedens, sonde is “wetteloosheid” of om buite die einste protokolle op te tree waarop die lewe gebou is om te werk. Daarom is “die loon van die sonde die dood” of “sonde wanneer dit volgroeid is, bring die dood voort”. Hoekom? Om dieselfde rede dat die dood volg wanneer iemand die “wet” van asemhaling oortree en ‘n plastieksak oor hul kop bind. Lewe bestaan slegs in harmonie met die beginsels waarop dit gebou is om te werk. Ons is ontwerp om asem te haal, as ons hierdie wet oortree, sterf ons. Dieselfde geld in die geestelike ryk. God het ons geskep om in volmaakte harmonie met sy karakter van liefde te funksioneer. Afwykings, sonder herstel, lei onvermydelik tot die dood.

Met dit in gedagte kan ons voortgaan om jou vrae te verstaan.

Wat is die toestand van die hele mensdom sedert Adam gesondig het? Ons natuurlike toestand is terminaal – ons sterf almal aan ‘n terminale toestand en, tensy dit reggestel word, sal alles ophou bestaan. God het egter ‘n plan om ons toestand reg te stel en daardie plan het vereis dat Jesus moes kom. Satan wou nie hê dat Jesus moes kom nie en het dus begin werk om die weg te sluit waardeur Hy mens kon word. Met ander woorde, Satan het gewerk om elke mens te kry om hul harte permanent vir God te sluit sodat niemand met God sou saamwerk nie en die Messias nie gebore kon word nie. Op ‘n stadium in die menslike geskiedenis was daar net 8 mense wat nog bereid was om met God saam te werk – Satan het dit byna reggekry. God het in OT-tye opgetree om die weg vir die Messias oop te hou sodat die hele mensdom nie verlore gaan nie.

Wanneer ons die werklikheid van God se heelal verstaan, sien ons dat sonde beskadig en vernietig; dit lei tot die dood, en God het as die groot argitek en bron van lewe soos ‘n dokter gewerk om sy skepping te genees en te herstel. Al God se optrede in die Skrif is ‘n bewys van sy ingryping om te verhoed dat sonde sy skepping vernietig. Dit is nie God wat as ‘n arbitrêre regter optree om strawwe vir ongehoorsaamheid op te lê nie. Hierdie idee kom van die siening van God en die hemel deur die lens van hoe aardse regerings te werk gaan. Maar geen aardse regering verteenwoordig die regering van God nie, daarom word aardse regerings in die Skrif altyd deur wrede diere voorgestel, terwyl Jesus die lam is – skrille kontras.

Dink aan ‘n dokter wat probeer om ‘n pasiënt te red wat ‘n voet met gangreen het – die dokter kan die voet afsny om die man te red, en die onkundige neem dit waar en kan die dokter as ‘n mense skender of slagter beskryf, maar ons weet die dokter werk om te red. Wanneer ons lank genoeg in sonde volhard, kan ons in ons gedagtes die vermoëns vernietig wat op liefde en waarheid reageer. As en wanneer dit gebeur, is daar niks meer wat God vir ons kan doen nie, want geen hoeveelheid liefde of waarheid sal enige impak op ons hê nie. Sulke individue sal soos gangreenselle in die liggaam wees, wat slegs ander gesonde selle besmet en die dood bring. En net soos ‘n goeie dokter soms dooie weefsel chirurgies sal verwyder, het God soms mense verwyder wat deur hul eie keuse onbereikbaar is en net ander beseer en seergemaak het en sy genesingsplan belemmer het.

Ons moet ook onthou, selfs wanneer God so opgetree het, dat Hy het net mense in die grafte laat slaap, daardie einste individue sal opgewek word in een van twee opstandings. God se optrede het dus nie hul bestaan beëindig nie, maar slegs hul bestaan onderbreek, en dit slegs met die doel om sy skepping te genees.

Die geval van die berinne is ‘n situasie waarin God se volk so verhard geraak het in verstand en hart dat hulle nie na sy profeet wou luister nie en dus was ‘n hele nasie in gevaar om vir ewig verlore te gaan. Hierdie jongmense het met Elisa gespot en gesê: “Gaan op, kaalkop.” Hierdie “opgaan” was ‘n verwysing na Elia se rit na die hemel in ‘n strydwa. Hulle het basies gesê Elisa is ‘n dwaas en het die hele ding opgemaak en niemand moet na hom luister nie. Ná die voorval met die berinne is daar na Elisa geluister en is hy ernstig opgeneem.

Stel jou voor jou hele kerk is besig om te sterf aan antraks vergiftiging en die dokter, wat die antibiotika gehad het om almal te red, word voorgestel as ‘n bedrieër, ‘n swendelaar, sodat niemand die middel sal neem nie en die hele kerk kan nou sterf. Skielik word diegene wat sulke bewerings gemaak het, op ‘n wonderbaarlike wyse verwyder. Wat sal nou gebeur? Kan die res van die kerk dalk nou bereid wees om die middel te neem en gered te word? Maar as daar geen wonderbaarlike ingryping was nie, sou almal aangehou het om die leuens te glo en sou hulle aan miltsiekte gesterf het.

Ons moet ook onthou dat God nie sonde gestraf het nie. Wat is volgens die Skrif die straf vir sonde? Daar is net een straf vir sonde en dit is ewige nie-bestaan – hoekom? Omdat onherstelde sonde ‘n mens skei van God, wat die bron van lewe is, en ‘n mens buite die ontwerp hou wat God die lewe geskep het om op te werk. God hoef nie hierdie straf “op te lê” nie, dit is onvermydelik as ‘n mens nie in eenheid met God herstel word nie.

Om te verstaan waarom iemand gestenig is omdat hy brandhout op Sabbat opgetel het, moet ‘n mens die ingesteldheid van die mense destyds verstaan en die beste manier om dit te demonstreer is om ‘n ware verhaal te vertel wat in 2006 gebeur het en deur John Hendren op National Public Radio berig is.

John Hendren wou uitvind waarom soveel Irakse burgerlikes in die oorlogsone sterf, of dit oorlogsverwant is of as gevolg van ander faktore. Wat hy ontdek het, was verstommend. Hy het berig oor ‘n kruidenierswinkel en sy drie werknemers wat doodgeskiet is en die winkel met ‘n brandbom gebombardeer is omdat hulle nie hul groente vertoon het soos die plaaslike kerkleiers beveel het nie. Die plaaslike kerkleiers het beveel dat selderystingels nie langs tamaties vertoon moet word nie, aangesien ‘n mens moontlik ‘n obskure seksuele konnotasie kon kry. In elk geval, die groentesmous het sy groente op hierdie manier vertoon en so is die vier mense gedood en die winkel met ‘n brandbom gebombardeer.

Nou, as jy die landdros van Bagdad was, wat is na jou oordeel ‘n ernstiger misdaad, om seldery langs tamaties staan te maak of dronk te bestuur? En sou jy na jou oordeel die doodstraf vir dronkbestuur gee? Natuurlik nie! Maar wat as jy ‘n volk regeer wat glo dat selderystingels langs tamaties ‘n misdaad is wat met die dood strafbaar is, watter straf sal jy dronkbestuur moet gee sodat hulle kan besef dat dit ten minste net so ernstig is? As u dronkbestuur ‘n boete van R10000 gegee het, maar hulle glo dat die seldery/tamatie-kombinasie ‘n doodstraf is, hoe ernstig sou hulle dronkbestuur opneem?

Julle het gehoor dat daar gesê is: Oog vir oog en tand vir tand. Maar Ek sê vir julle dat julle ‘n slegte mens nie moet weerstaan nie; maar as iemand jou op jou regterwang slaan, draai ook die ander een na hom toe. En hy wat met jou na die gereg wil gaan en jou onderkleed wil neem, laat hom ook die bo-kleed kry. En elkeen wat van jou een myl afdwing, loop met hom twee myl saam. Gee aan hom wat jou iets vra, en wys hom nie af wat van jou wil leen nie. Julle het gehoor dat daar gesê is: Jy moet jou naaste liefhê en jou vyand moet jy haat. Maar Ek sê vir julle: Julle moet jul vyande liefhê; seën die wat vir julle vervloek, doen goed aan die wat vir julle haat, en bid vir die wat julle beledig en julle vervolg; sodat julle kinders kan word van julle Vader wat in die hemele is… (Matteus 5:38-45 AFR33).

Die rede waarom God mense ontmoet waar hulle is en op hul vlak praat en reëls gee wat hulle kan verstaan, selfs al is dit nie sy ideaal nie, is omdat wat God wil hê, nie afgedwing kan word nie. God wil ware liefde in ons harte hê en dit kan slegs bereik word deur waarheid wat in liefde aangebied word en mense die keuse gee om te kies. Soos Paulus sê: “Laat elkeen in sy eie gemoed te volle oortuig wees” (Rom 14:5).

Wanneer ‘n mens dae lank in ‘n donker grot is, kan hulle nie in die helder sonlig uitkom nie, soveel lig is nie net pynlik nie, maar verblindend. Net so, wanneer mense geestelike duisternis gewoond is, kan God hulle nie direk na die helderheid van sy ideaal neem nie, dit is pynlik en verblindend. So ontmoet Hy hulle in hulle duisternis en lei hulle stadig na die lig!

So, wat sien ons in die OT? Ek sien ‘n geduldige, genadige, liefdevolle God, wat siek mense hanteer wie se harte en gedagtes deur sonde verduister is, hulle ontmoet waar hulle is, en alles in sy vermoë doen om te genees en te red. Hoe sien jy dit?

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Testimony 41

I have been blessed by your ministry. I have experienced personally, and deeply resonate with, the God of love and the beautiful picture of God’s character that you present. I have seen your seminar series on YouTube, read ‘The Journal of the Watcher’ book, used your mobile app, and also listen/study the bible study lesson with you each week. I concur with many of the thoughts and perspectives that you share. I understand your conclusions on natural laws vs imposed law and the legal/penal substitution (incorrect diagnosis). This makes perfect sense to me.

Bless you for all you do.

Melissa L.

 

Testimony 46

Over the past couple of years God has been expanding my view of Himself and His character. Along my approximately 40-year journey, I have often had questions, but was hesitant to voice these and step outside the traditionally accepted thinking, for fear of admitting that I may in fact be eternally lost. In the recesses of my thinking has been the thought – if one blindly accepts (which is widely regarded as “real faith”) and does not question, is this really ‘truth?’ I often find it challenging to grapple with very theological ‘speak,’ but Dr. Jennings has a real gift of explaining spiritual concepts with clear practical examples. The weekly discussions are growing my Christian experience and slowly changing my view of how to live as a child of God in today’s complex world. Finally the whole Old Testament sanctuary teaching moved in my mind from fantasy to reality!

Beverly S., South Africa

 

Testimony 60

Just watched watched lesson 10 in the 1st quarter 2021 bible study classs on Isaiah. I want to thank you for your intellectual spirituality; it’s not an oxymoron! From the point of view of a teacher I also enjoy seeing how much personal pleasure you clearly take in not just tasting, but feasting on God’s word – it reminds me of Jeremiah not being able to hold it in! It makes me smile that your cup is so full and overflowing that you make it to Tuesday’s lesson (on a good day). It just goes to show the richness of God’s Word.

God bless the Come and Reason Team from our church here in Great Britain.

Andrew H., Great Britain

 

Testimony 40

I was brought up in a different faith and have been petrified my whole life of God. I believed that I would burn in hell for eternity. When I was 12 I started pursuing the things of this world, but for the next 45 years the Spirit was always calling me, as I knew there was a God through nature. I could see the vast sea of stars in the universe and knew there was something bigger out there. Five years ago, through a Revelation seminar, I was blessed to learn about God’s character and government.

Then I found Come and Reason Ministries and have come under some extreme pressure when I speak about the ministry. One time a member sent me an internet article titled “Whats wrong with Tim Jennings?” I asked her what she thought of it and she said “I don’t know, I didn’t read it.”

I have always wanted to find out for myself the truth about God, so I stayed with the Design Law construct and have been liberated to understand the big picture. Once we consider Design Law, all other Bible stories and prophecies seem to fit perfectly. It is truly beautiful to see people grasping how God operates this Universe of Love and the liberation it has provided in their lives. It blows my mind to see how consistent Design law is with what our founders believed. I hear statements like “This makes so much sense.”

Tom W., Mt. Pleasant, MI, USA

 

Testimony 37

Hearing Dr. Jennings’ presentations in person came at a pivotal moment in my spiritual journey that began about nine months ago, when the fault lines inherent in my belief system began to crack under questions that most reasonable people end up asking about God and His nature. These were questions I couldn’t find answers to, and they shook my faith. I was unable let it go any longer and be satisfied. My Christian experience became distant. I was afraid; the fear in me rose like thorns, pushing me away from Jesus. And then someone heard my questions and introduced me to this ministry, and my life has totally changed.

I can tell you that this new, “present truth” message is far grander and life-changing than when I shifted from being an agnostic and then a nominal Christian. It has radically altered my worldview, because it reveals a God that makes sense. It is a revolution. I believe that Dr. Jennings’ message is the final message that must go to the world. If any message could be called “righteousness by faith,” as abused as that term is by the right and the left, this is that message, because Jennings’ biblical message identifies a God who is different, whose character isn’t an impossible contradiction.

I walk this path now without fear. I see people differently, and the Holy Spirit burns in my heart. Many call Dr. Jennings’ message false and compromising, but it isn’t false, because I’ve seen the fruits within my mind and body. It is not compromising, because in this message is the only road to holiness that makes any sense. No longer do I behold a pagan god who is always angry and suspicious. Instead, I behold a God who is freeing and loving, always working for our good, and giving me every reason to love my enemy even to my own death, just as Jesus pleads with us. God is good.

Anthony L., CA, USA

 

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Thank you! I love listening to the Come And Reason Ministries Bible study classes and am using some of your notes to get the lessons together that I will be teaching. You always have such good quotes and Bible texts and pull things together to make good sense.

T. C., IN, USA

 

Testimony 6

I got the book “Could It Be This Simple?” a few months ago and the reading was wonderful and I was fascinated. I lent the book to a friend at work. She is having a difficult time and the book is helping her to find Jesus and I found this very exciting. She has asked me questions and I can see her life changing.

H. S., Australia

 

Testimony 39

[This ministry is the] biggest blessing I have ever received! Your DVDs and lessons could not have come at a better time in my life. I have experienced in the past year many difficulties that, if it wasn’t for this wonderful view of God that I have discovered through this ministry, I would not have been able to respond in love and forgiveness. My heart is being transformed everyday by the Calvary-looking God you teach. Hallelujah!! I have tears in my eyes as I write, because my life has taken a complete turn from where I was heading.

I am from Central America. Most of my family is scattered in different parts of the world and all have the same view of God that I had growing up; a distant, exacting, and ready-to-punish-us-with-tragedy type of God. So, I have been translating lessons for my family and, to my surprise, they have also been sharing them with others! I can already see the difference. My brother has often said, “Thank you for sharing, I have never heard it this way!” My other family members are taking an amazing turn from a message of “repent or burn” towards a loving God, pleading to us that we won’t reject him because he loves us eternally.

Bless you for all you do.

Sofia S., Ashfield, MA, USA

 

Testimony 71

When I was 9 years old, I remember setting at our devotional table with a hunger and thirst for God that wanted more, deeper, BETTER. I can remember literally crying and pounding on the table, “I know these teachers didn’t mean to give us error. They taught what THEY had been TAUGHT, but didn’t ANYBODY READ THE BOOK?!?!?” It mattered to me then. It mattered to me as a teenager. It matters now as I teach bible classes. It didn’t have to be so hard as I watched so many give up and lay God’s great plan and gift of salvation aside as being “impossible.” Then, a friend sent me a link to Come And Reason’s website. I grew excited. YES! FINALLY! Then another friend told me to stay away, saying her son had just broken up with a girl because she was involved with Come And Reason and that “Tim Jennings preaches a false gospel.” But, AFTER many years of developing an authentic and, dare I say FUN relationship with Jesus, through the Holy Spirit I see this message has been around a LONG time, since the apostle Paul, Ellen White, Graham Maxwell, Ray Foucher, and yourself (though I admit, you’ve made me back up, rewind and replay the clips, and get out my well-worn Bible on a few things.) I’m so thankful I have found LIGHT during these DARK days. I am not alone.

Vicki DiNitto

Testimony 55

I was born [into the church], then I left it for many years. 10 years ago, I came back, but I could not take the hypocrisy and the lack of answers to the missing pieces. I struggled, but I did not abandon my commitment to know the truth. God is leading me to the simple understanding of his relevance and I am relearning what the church taught me as a youth… that he loves me, that he has led me to a knowledge of him such as I have never known. He is using Dr. Jennings to connect the dots that are now so apparent and hiding in plain sight!

Dean P., Arlington, TX, USA

 

Testimony 54

I had a lot of pressure, as a pastor’s kid, to conform and be “good.” I was good at being “good.” I thought my life was going along well until it all started falling apart and I could not figure out why! In my search for “why is this happening to me, God?” I came across your book, “Could it be this Simple,” and God started revealing to me the many distortions I held about His character, His principles, and how He has designed His universe to operate. I remember thinking, “Wow, I have had this all backwards.” I was happy and angry all at the same time. Happy to have the light of truth break through the darkness, revealing a wonderful, beautiful way of understanding God and His plan for His children, and angry, because I felt deceived and cheated by the church, my family, and myself!

My heart thrills when I listen to your bible study lessons. Literally I have gone from death to life. It is a journey I look forward to every day, as God reveals areas this distortion affects. Praise GOD! I will ever be grateful to God for this ministry and your cooperation with the Spirit!

Karen S., Portal, AZ, USA

 

Testimony 9

I really enjoy with you the view of a gracious God. Thank you for sharing the work you are allowing the Lord to do in you.

L., Queensland, Australia

 

Testimony 53

I was so blessed by a friend who gave me your book, “The God Shaped Brain,” while I was sitting in church asking God to please help me learn more about Him and help me not to be so confused and scared. That was about 2 years ago. Your books have helped me to love God even more. I’m not confused or scared anymore! I have listened to all of your bible study classes and feel like I know the wonderful people that attend every week. Thank you for all that you’re doing in spreading the true message about God and His law of love. God bless you and your whole class.

Elssy P., Modesto, CA, USA

 

Testimony 33

I was invited over a friend’s house to see the “God and Your Brain” seminar today. I became [a christian] 36 years ago at the age of 19, but have struggled with the concept of God taking His ‘pound of flesh’ out on His Son to be appeased. Wow. Your seminar has been an incredible revelation and breath of reason and fresh air! I have your book, “The God Shaped Brain,” and it is SO eye opening. Finally, after 36 years enlightenment has come! Praise the Good Lord! What can I say, but that the Real Gospel is truly “Good News!” Thank you for your efforts in giving the Gospel a clear sound!

Paul C.,  Springfield, MA, USA

 

Testimony 24

I wanted to thank you very much for presenting your understanding of God. I’ve always been troubled by this question: Why did Jesus have to die? Since my conversion I understood that The Father & Jesus are one, I did not have issues with that. But was there not any other way to save us than for Jesus to die? I guess I actually had a question about God – if He is so wise, how come He did not find another way? I did not see the real ‘beauty’  in the cross. Only when you explained the picture in the medical context, Jesus providing medicine for my selfishness, have I started to finally ‘see the light’. Thank you so much. Your seminar, “Healing the Mind,” are absolutely marvelous & have shared them with my family and many other people, including colleagues at work. Thanks, thanks, thanks. May God bless you abundantly in your ministry.

M. W., Australia