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BERINNE EN KLIPPE: WAT SÊ DIT OOR GOD?

BERINNE EN KLIPPE: WAT SÊ DIT OOR GOD?

Wat is jou siening oor God wat bere stuur om kinders te vermorsel nadat hulle “gespot” het met een van God se profete omdat hy kaalkop was? Dit het my regtig gepla en lyk baie hardvogtig en het my vertroue in God se karakter regtig seergemaak. Ek bedoel, watter kind het nog nie een of ander keer iemand geterg nie??? Dit beteken nie dat hulle die dood verdien nie. Ek het ‘n 8-jarige dogter, so die gedagte dat God haar sal doodmaak oor iets so onbenulligs, maak my kwaad en ek voel dit is hoogs onregverdig.

Die 2de: In die OT beveel God dat ‘n man gestenig moet word omdat hy vuurmaakhout op die Sabbat bymekaargemaak het. Daardie een het my geloof regtig, regtig ernstig beskadig. Wat as die man net hout bymekaarmaak om ‘n vuur te maak om hom en sy gesin warm te hou of om kos te kook? Beteken dit dat ek op die oordeelsdag vernietig kan word omdat ek my bed opmaak, maaltye vir my gesin kook en die skottelgoedwasser op die Sabbat gelaai het??? Ek sien regtig nie hoe hierdie take anders is as om hout bymekaar te maak nie. Dit is nie asof hy hout bymekaarmaak net vir “lekkerkry” nie. Hout dien 2 doeleindes – om warm te maak of kos te kook. Ek verstaan daar is gevolge in sonde, en glo beslis dat daar moet wees! MAAR….moet die straf nie by die misdaad pas nie? God kon hulle gestraf het met die vernietiging van hul huise of ‘n verlies van al hul besittings, ens. (net voorbeelde).

Ek hoop jy kan ‘n ander lig op die twee voorvalle werp. Ek sal daarvan hou om God weer werklik lief te hê en te voel asof Hy aanbidding waardig is. By voorbaat dankie vir jou antwoord! Ek waardeer jou tyd en jou mening baie.


Wanneer ons die Ou Testament (OT) lees, moet ons dit altyd lees teen die agtergrond van die Groot Stryd oor die karakter van God met Jesus as ons fokuslens. Hy was God in menslike vorm en was die God wat in die OT opgetree het. So, verskeie vrae moet beantwoord word – wie verstaan jy is Jesus? Is Hy ten volle God? Het die volheid van die Godheid in Hom gewoon? Is dit waar dat die Vader in die Seun was? Is dit waar dat wanneer ons Jesus sien, ons die Vader sien? Is dit waar dat Jesus presies die karakter en aard van God geopenbaar het?

As die antwoorde op al hierdie vrae ja is, en ons lees ‘n OT-storie en dink dit stel God in ‘n ander lig voor as wat Jesus geopenbaar het, dan weet ons dat ons op een of ander manier die storie verkeerd verstaan.

Ons moet ook vra, deur watter raamwerk sien ons hierdie stories? Hoe verstaan ons God se skepping en sy wet? Met ander woorde, hoe verstaan ons die basiese beginsels waarop God die heelal ontwerp het om te werk?

Verstaan ons God as ‘n diktator wat wesens skep en dan wette uitvaardig om sy skepsele te regeer en as die regerende gesag, om geregtigheid te handhaaf, dit dan vereis word om sy heelal te “polisieer”, oortreders in aanhouding te plaas, geregtelike stappe te volg en uiteindelik arbitrêr opgelegde strawwe uit te deel?

Of sien ons God as die “Skepper”, die Een wat werklik die heelal gebou het, die Een wat alles gebou het, en daarom die bloudruk geskep het waarop alle dinge werk? Aangesien God sê Hy IS liefde, sou Hy nie sy heelal skep om in harmonie met sy eie natuur en karakter te funksioneer nie, veral omdat alle lewe in God ontstaan en alle lewe deur God onderhou word nie? As dit so is, is God se wet dan uitgevaardigde reëls of die beginsels waarop die heelal gebou is om te werk – wette van swaartekrag, termodinamika, en uiteindelik die wet van liefde, gee en liefdadigheid?

Wanneer ons die heelal verstaan soos God dit gebou het en sy wet as ‘n uitdrukking van sy eie aard van liefde, dan verstaan ons verskeie belangrike elemente. Eerstens is lewe slegs moontlik wanneer dit in harmonie is met die ontwerpprotokolle waarop God dit gebou het om te bestaan. In hierdie geval, volmaakte harmonie met God se karakter van liefde. Tweedens, sonde is “wetteloosheid” of om buite die einste protokolle op te tree waarop die lewe gebou is om te werk. Daarom is “die loon van die sonde die dood” of “sonde wanneer dit volgroeid is, bring die dood voort”. Hoekom? Om dieselfde rede dat die dood volg wanneer iemand die “wet” van asemhaling oortree en ‘n plastieksak oor hul kop bind. Lewe bestaan slegs in harmonie met die beginsels waarop dit gebou is om te werk. Ons is ontwerp om asem te haal, as ons hierdie wet oortree, sterf ons. Dieselfde geld in die geestelike ryk. God het ons geskep om in volmaakte harmonie met sy karakter van liefde te funksioneer. Afwykings, sonder herstel, lei onvermydelik tot die dood.

Met dit in gedagte kan ons voortgaan om jou vrae te verstaan.

Wat is die toestand van die hele mensdom sedert Adam gesondig het? Ons natuurlike toestand is terminaal – ons sterf almal aan ‘n terminale toestand en, tensy dit reggestel word, sal alles ophou bestaan. God het egter ‘n plan om ons toestand reg te stel en daardie plan het vereis dat Jesus moes kom. Satan wou nie hê dat Jesus moes kom nie en het dus begin werk om die weg te sluit waardeur Hy mens kon word. Met ander woorde, Satan het gewerk om elke mens te kry om hul harte permanent vir God te sluit sodat niemand met God sou saamwerk nie en die Messias nie gebore kon word nie. Op ‘n stadium in die menslike geskiedenis was daar net 8 mense wat nog bereid was om met God saam te werk – Satan het dit byna reggekry. God het in OT-tye opgetree om die weg vir die Messias oop te hou sodat die hele mensdom nie verlore gaan nie.

Wanneer ons die werklikheid van God se heelal verstaan, sien ons dat sonde beskadig en vernietig; dit lei tot die dood, en God het as die groot argitek en bron van lewe soos ‘n dokter gewerk om sy skepping te genees en te herstel. Al God se optrede in die Skrif is ‘n bewys van sy ingryping om te verhoed dat sonde sy skepping vernietig. Dit is nie God wat as ‘n arbitrêre regter optree om strawwe vir ongehoorsaamheid op te lê nie. Hierdie idee kom van die siening van God en die hemel deur die lens van hoe aardse regerings te werk gaan. Maar geen aardse regering verteenwoordig die regering van God nie, daarom word aardse regerings in die Skrif altyd deur wrede diere voorgestel, terwyl Jesus die lam is – skrille kontras.

Dink aan ‘n dokter wat probeer om ‘n pasiënt te red wat ‘n voet met gangreen het – die dokter kan die voet afsny om die man te red, en die onkundige neem dit waar en kan die dokter as ‘n mense skender of slagter beskryf, maar ons weet die dokter werk om te red. Wanneer ons lank genoeg in sonde volhard, kan ons in ons gedagtes die vermoëns vernietig wat op liefde en waarheid reageer. As en wanneer dit gebeur, is daar niks meer wat God vir ons kan doen nie, want geen hoeveelheid liefde of waarheid sal enige impak op ons hê nie. Sulke individue sal soos gangreenselle in die liggaam wees, wat slegs ander gesonde selle besmet en die dood bring. En net soos ‘n goeie dokter soms dooie weefsel chirurgies sal verwyder, het God soms mense verwyder wat deur hul eie keuse onbereikbaar is en net ander beseer en seergemaak het en sy genesingsplan belemmer het.

Ons moet ook onthou, selfs wanneer God so opgetree het, dat Hy het net mense in die grafte laat slaap, daardie einste individue sal opgewek word in een van twee opstandings. God se optrede het dus nie hul bestaan beëindig nie, maar slegs hul bestaan onderbreek, en dit slegs met die doel om sy skepping te genees.

Die geval van die berinne is ‘n situasie waarin God se volk so verhard geraak het in verstand en hart dat hulle nie na sy profeet wou luister nie en dus was ‘n hele nasie in gevaar om vir ewig verlore te gaan. Hierdie jongmense het met Elisa gespot en gesê: “Gaan op, kaalkop.” Hierdie “opgaan” was ‘n verwysing na Elia se rit na die hemel in ‘n strydwa. Hulle het basies gesê Elisa is ‘n dwaas en het die hele ding opgemaak en niemand moet na hom luister nie. Ná die voorval met die berinne is daar na Elisa geluister en is hy ernstig opgeneem.

Stel jou voor jou hele kerk is besig om te sterf aan antraks vergiftiging en die dokter, wat die antibiotika gehad het om almal te red, word voorgestel as ‘n bedrieër, ‘n swendelaar, sodat niemand die middel sal neem nie en die hele kerk kan nou sterf. Skielik word diegene wat sulke bewerings gemaak het, op ‘n wonderbaarlike wyse verwyder. Wat sal nou gebeur? Kan die res van die kerk dalk nou bereid wees om die middel te neem en gered te word? Maar as daar geen wonderbaarlike ingryping was nie, sou almal aangehou het om die leuens te glo en sou hulle aan miltsiekte gesterf het.

Ons moet ook onthou dat God nie sonde gestraf het nie. Wat is volgens die Skrif die straf vir sonde? Daar is net een straf vir sonde en dit is ewige nie-bestaan – hoekom? Omdat onherstelde sonde ‘n mens skei van God, wat die bron van lewe is, en ‘n mens buite die ontwerp hou wat God die lewe geskep het om op te werk. God hoef nie hierdie straf “op te lê” nie, dit is onvermydelik as ‘n mens nie in eenheid met God herstel word nie.

Om te verstaan waarom iemand gestenig is omdat hy brandhout op Sabbat opgetel het, moet ‘n mens die ingesteldheid van die mense destyds verstaan en die beste manier om dit te demonstreer is om ‘n ware verhaal te vertel wat in 2006 gebeur het en deur John Hendren op National Public Radio berig is.

John Hendren wou uitvind waarom soveel Irakse burgerlikes in die oorlogsone sterf, of dit oorlogsverwant is of as gevolg van ander faktore. Wat hy ontdek het, was verstommend. Hy het berig oor ‘n kruidenierswinkel en sy drie werknemers wat doodgeskiet is en die winkel met ‘n brandbom gebombardeer is omdat hulle nie hul groente vertoon het soos die plaaslike kerkleiers beveel het nie. Die plaaslike kerkleiers het beveel dat selderystingels nie langs tamaties vertoon moet word nie, aangesien ‘n mens moontlik ‘n obskure seksuele konnotasie kon kry. In elk geval, die groentesmous het sy groente op hierdie manier vertoon en so is die vier mense gedood en die winkel met ‘n brandbom gebombardeer.

Nou, as jy die landdros van Bagdad was, wat is na jou oordeel ‘n ernstiger misdaad, om seldery langs tamaties staan te maak of dronk te bestuur? En sou jy na jou oordeel die doodstraf vir dronkbestuur gee? Natuurlik nie! Maar wat as jy ‘n volk regeer wat glo dat selderystingels langs tamaties ‘n misdaad is wat met die dood strafbaar is, watter straf sal jy dronkbestuur moet gee sodat hulle kan besef dat dit ten minste net so ernstig is? As u dronkbestuur ‘n boete van R10000 gegee het, maar hulle glo dat die seldery/tamatie-kombinasie ‘n doodstraf is, hoe ernstig sou hulle dronkbestuur opneem?

Julle het gehoor dat daar gesê is: Oog vir oog en tand vir tand. Maar Ek sê vir julle dat julle ‘n slegte mens nie moet weerstaan nie; maar as iemand jou op jou regterwang slaan, draai ook die ander een na hom toe. En hy wat met jou na die gereg wil gaan en jou onderkleed wil neem, laat hom ook die bo-kleed kry. En elkeen wat van jou een myl afdwing, loop met hom twee myl saam. Gee aan hom wat jou iets vra, en wys hom nie af wat van jou wil leen nie. Julle het gehoor dat daar gesê is: Jy moet jou naaste liefhê en jou vyand moet jy haat. Maar Ek sê vir julle: Julle moet jul vyande liefhê; seën die wat vir julle vervloek, doen goed aan die wat vir julle haat, en bid vir die wat julle beledig en julle vervolg; sodat julle kinders kan word van julle Vader wat in die hemele is… (Matteus 5:38-45 AFR33).

Die rede waarom God mense ontmoet waar hulle is en op hul vlak praat en reëls gee wat hulle kan verstaan, selfs al is dit nie sy ideaal nie, is omdat wat God wil hê, nie afgedwing kan word nie. God wil ware liefde in ons harte hê en dit kan slegs bereik word deur waarheid wat in liefde aangebied word en mense die keuse gee om te kies. Soos Paulus sê: “Laat elkeen in sy eie gemoed te volle oortuig wees” (Rom 14:5).

Wanneer ‘n mens dae lank in ‘n donker grot is, kan hulle nie in die helder sonlig uitkom nie, soveel lig is nie net pynlik nie, maar verblindend. Net so, wanneer mense geestelike duisternis gewoond is, kan God hulle nie direk na die helderheid van sy ideaal neem nie, dit is pynlik en verblindend. So ontmoet Hy hulle in hulle duisternis en lei hulle stadig na die lig!

So, wat sien ons in die OT? Ek sien ‘n geduldige, genadige, liefdevolle God, wat siek mense hanteer wie se harte en gedagtes deur sonde verduister is, hulle ontmoet waar hulle is, en alles in sy vermoë doen om te genees en te red. Hoe sien jy dit?

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Testimony 49

I came into the church at 21, but that is as far as it went. I was so confused about what love is. I couldn’t find it in the bible, because I am not a person that can read between the lines. I have no logic. I have read many, many books; trying to figure out the crux of the matter. They were helpful, but something was still missing. I have become very frustrated to the point of crying out to God, “Where can I go?”  I needed some basics.

I found two books, written by Timothy Jennings, MD, to be very helpful. God showed me that I had lived my whole life in fear. I didn’t even see it. Now, I do. God is so good.  I discovered the “The Remedy”  Dr. Jennings new book, “The God-Shaped Heart!” Oh, I was so excited, I purchased them right away.

I can get rid of most of my books, because “The Remedy” brings the Love of God out so clearly, even I can’t miss it. Now, I want to sit and read my Bible. Wow, what a revelation! It is just simply Awesome! I am so grateful to Jehovah Almighty for hearing my prayer for more understanding! I am so encouraged!

Jackie S.

 

Testimony 38

Since November 2015, when I started studying Gods word from this God Is Love point of view, my life has been transformed. My troubled marriage of 15 years has been healed and my husband and I are truly happy for the first time in 15 years. Now When I read the word of God I understand it so much better and I can’t help but see Gods love radiating through the pages to humanity. Gods word is living and active and I am blessed beyond measure to be having this amazing experience. God has given me a beautiful understanding of Jn 3:16 that amazes me more and more each day. Thank you again for your ministry.

Helen D., London, England

 

Testimony 11

I would love to have a copy of “Healing the Mind” DVDs to have in my therapy office. I enjoy having clients check out materials to enhance their therapy experience. I have sat under Dr. Jennings’ teaching at an American Association of Christian Counselors convention and respect his work greatly.

K.B., LA, USA

 

Testimony 61

I grew up in a prominent protestant church and had what I like to call religious anxiety. I’ve always had questions about God and Salvation that no one could seem to answer.  I didn’t know how to find resolution. During 2020, at the height of my anxiety, I fell to my knees and begged God to show me truth and light and to give me the hope that I’ve been longing for. Days later, I stumbled upon your online videos and it was like a veil was lifted and EVERYTHING made sense! For the first time in my almost 39 years of life, my religious/spiritual anxiety has lessened. I feel a sense of freedom and peace I’ve NEVER had before… and it’s all because my view of God has changed. Thank you!

Ashleighn C.

 

Testimony 56

I cannot thank you enough for opening my understanding to the beautiful truth of God’s Law of Love and how it applies to everything. I have been a Christian for over forty years, but I feel like I am only now seeing with my eyes open. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!

Tammy Cinzio, Australia

 

Testimony 37

Hearing Dr. Jennings’ presentations in person came at a pivotal moment in my spiritual journey that began about nine months ago, when the fault lines inherent in my belief system began to crack under questions that most reasonable people end up asking about God and His nature. These were questions I couldn’t find answers to, and they shook my faith. I was unable let it go any longer and be satisfied. My Christian experience became distant. I was afraid; the fear in me rose like thorns, pushing me away from Jesus. And then someone heard my questions and introduced me to this ministry, and my life has totally changed.

I can tell you that this new, “present truth” message is far grander and life-changing than when I shifted from being an agnostic and then a nominal Christian. It has radically altered my worldview, because it reveals a God that makes sense. It is a revolution. I believe that Dr. Jennings’ message is the final message that must go to the world. If any message could be called “righteousness by faith,” as abused as that term is by the right and the left, this is that message, because Jennings’ biblical message identifies a God who is different, whose character isn’t an impossible contradiction.

I walk this path now without fear. I see people differently, and the Holy Spirit burns in my heart. Many call Dr. Jennings’ message false and compromising, but it isn’t false, because I’ve seen the fruits within my mind and body. It is not compromising, because in this message is the only road to holiness that makes any sense. No longer do I behold a pagan god who is always angry and suspicious. Instead, I behold a God who is freeing and loving, always working for our good, and giving me every reason to love my enemy even to my own death, just as Jesus pleads with us. God is good.

Anthony L., CA, USA

 

Testimony 2

I continue to enjoy your lessons every week. The more that I research your conclusions, the more I am convinced that the Holy Spirit has lead you to distill out the essence of human redemption. Thank you for your courageous stand for the truth.

S. G., TX, USA

 

Testimony 35

I am so pleased with the response your message is receiving at my church from the middle-aged to the young adults. I have given out 100 copies of the first two seminars and there are more request every week. One of my [class members] came to me after viewing the series, grateful and impressed with how easy the message was retained. He had been a Seventh-day Adventist in fear all his life, and felt like the scales were removed from his eyes after viewing the seminars. I am so impressed by the change I see in members who have received this message, we are in one accord. However, I am sadden by the negative response of the older people. I am verbally attacked anytime I talk about imposed laws, but I believe my mission is to enlightened everyone I can. I watch your Bible Study Class on YouTube every Friday night and I feel like I am apart of the class. All of you are in one accord and I am so blessed to have found you. I pray that all of you continue to spread this message and I am committed to doing my part.

Clara S., Westfield, MA, USA

 

Testimony 17

The blessings of clarity and understanding you and your class inspire me to take from the word of God have impressed upon me so greatly the true, loving character of our Creator. I have found amazing freedom and joy through building a stronger, more intentional relationship with Him. What is new is that this is now a relationship built on love, reverence and respect rather than fear and obligation, and as such my eyes have been slammed OPEN as I am continually impressed by the manifestations of God’s true character in His provisions for fallen man.

T.E.H., Salt Lake City, UT, USA

 

Testimony 76

Warm greetings from Tanzania! I just wanted to take a moment to thank you and your team at Come And Reason Ministries for the amazing work you do. Your teachings have opened my eyes to deep biblical truths and how to live them out in real life. I started following the ministry back in 2018, and ever since, my walk with God has grown so much stronger. I’ve found freedom from fear-based faith and now live with more peace and trust in Him. I’ve also been sharing what I’ve learned, especially through Bible School discussions. Your lessons are so insightful and well-explained that I try not to miss a single one. May God continue to bless the work you’re doing.
Elisha M., Tanzania, Africa

Testimony 9

I really enjoy with you the view of a gracious God. Thank you for sharing the work you are allowing the Lord to do in you.

L., Queensland, Australia

 

Testimony 59

I’m a native Ghanan, but am currently in France for my master’s degree. Prior to this, during my final years at undergraduate studies in Ghana, I was introduced to your ministry and I’ve been immensely blessed by what you share, especially about the Design and Imposed Laws. God richly bless you for that.

One of the first things I did when I arrived in France was to buy all four of your books. They not only helped me, but those I shared them with. I shared the message with an atheist student and I marveled at how God worked mightily in his life. Today this person shares the Love of God with others and debunks theories of who God is not. I want to share what you present in your “Heavenly Sanctuary and Investigative Judgment” pamphlet, because the message brought rest to my soul and I live today as a healthy person.

God bless you so much and your ministry.

Michael A., Ghana

 

Testimony 50

After coming into contact with Come And Reason Ministries, I can finally say that many of my unanswered questions have fallen into place. I discovered that my view of God’s Law was “imposed laws and rules” with “imposed punishments” and that this was the major culprit of my many unanswered questions. Thanks be to God for using you and those around you to help us who have struggled with this “infection” of thought. I have now rejected the “imposed law” concept to fully embrace “Design Law”… to look thru “Design Law,” instead of “imposed law,” is a relief.

Viliami L., Australia

 

Testimony 71

When I was 9 years old, I remember setting at our devotional table with a hunger and thirst for God that wanted more, deeper, BETTER. I can remember literally crying and pounding on the table, “I know these teachers didn’t mean to give us error. They taught what THEY had been TAUGHT, but didn’t ANYBODY READ THE BOOK?!?!?” It mattered to me then. It mattered to me as a teenager. It matters now as I teach bible classes. It didn’t have to be so hard as I watched so many give up and lay God’s great plan and gift of salvation aside as being “impossible.” Then, a friend sent me a link to Come And Reason’s website. I grew excited. YES! FINALLY! Then another friend told me to stay away, saying her son had just broken up with a girl because she was involved with Come And Reason and that “Tim Jennings preaches a false gospel.” But, AFTER many years of developing an authentic and, dare I say FUN relationship with Jesus, through the Holy Spirit I see this message has been around a LONG time, since the apostle Paul, Ellen White, Graham Maxwell, Ray Foucher, and yourself (though I admit, you’ve made me back up, rewind and replay the clips, and get out my well-worn Bible on a few things.) I’m so thankful I have found LIGHT during these DARK days. I am not alone.

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Testimony 75

Thank you so much for everything you do! Because of all these truths, I’m excited to be with Jesus! I always pray everyday, “COME TODAY, JESUS.” Before finding C&R, I was always praying for delays, “NOT TODAY OH GOD. I AM NOT READY.” I just need to share more, talk more bout this truth, so everybody will be excited for Jesus.

J C Shin